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Topic: I Got 3 Referrals Today... All on the Rotator!

I had a bad PPC day on my referral site...again, and I spent $15.  Not, one Referral.  I'm beginning to wonder!  I just can't seem to crack that code! Yeah, I can probably increase my bid, but it's appearing more a LOSE-LOSE situation.  I do not need to pay 70-80 cents for one click... forget it.  I'm going to save that money!  5-10 clicks might bring me one decent referral.  Its just doesn't seem to be worth it for me.

Still, my referral website is doing well.  I've brought down my Alexa rating to below 320,000 and I'm seeing progress everyday. I keep driving toward my goal.  I should be there by June.  It should be awesome.  In the top 100K.  Lot's of free search engine juice.  I'm getting there!  I get free clicks by pursuing this.

On the other hand, my people search site is still doing well.  PPC is working for me there.  I'm down to 19-21 cents per click.  I'll continue to pursue this.  I realize a profit with this site.

Here's my bottom line.  I can spend $15 a day on my referral site, and continue to throw money away.  I change my ads every 4-5 days.  I split test them, yet I can't seem to drive down my PPC.  I can continue to drive myself nuts...

Or, I can continue to add value to the Forum as a Super Sponsor and qualify for Tissa's Free leads on the rotator.  I have not crunched the numbers, but I know where the true "value" is.  I received three referrals today.  I don't think I'm exagerrating if I said that I could have spent $50 today in PPC and still wouldn't have 3 referrals. 

I also run 3 Auto-responder campaigns.  I'm getting referral from them, but they are outside this discussion.

I'm not saying that my experience is the same as everyone's. I'm just saying that anyone reasonably new to Internet marketing should be very, very leary of PPC.  It seems to favor existing and established clients, while making it more challenging for new entries.  That is just my opinion, but it is based on my experience.

If you follow the ACME model... learn to earn... give-get-grow, work hard to grow your business and pay-it-forward as you grow, I believe you will experience much greater success.

There is huge value in becomming a Super Sponsor.  You already know that Tissa covers your operating costs, and now throws in an extra $100. 

But, being on his rotater is another huge value that really isn't factored in or spoke about to the extent it deserves.  Measure the costs against your own experience.  All I'm saying is that for me, it has been extremely valuable.  So, don't overlook this additional advantage to qualifying for Super Sponsor.

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Re: I Got 3 Referrals Today... All on the Rotator!

Rick I haven't had much extra to spend on PPC but I also am seeing some nice numbers from Tissa's Growtator.  One thing I've recently decided is to increase my article marketing/add some serious content to my two new WP blogs, the people search engine and the opportunity, and grow my back links on those. Now when it does come down to spending any money on PPC I am not even going to worry about the opportunity side of this business instead I'm going to focus on commissions from the search engine using my blog to draw them in. After all the SE has a huge potential for commissions and you just need to target the right niche for each keyword set that you use.  Up till now my only focus has been gaining referrals but I'm ready now to move ahead with my search engine promotion.
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I kind of wish that the rotator was either available for everyone or not available at all. I'm not knocking it as a perk and I understand your point. I really do. Please don't misunderstand. I have heard from more than one new referral that they believe the only way to have success with this business is to be a SS, and I know that is not what you were saying, but there is that impression to new affiliates and prospects.

I think new affiliates shouldn't spend a whole lot of time trying to become Super Sponsors in the beginning because it could take away from learning how to be successful in the business and there is the temptation to spend too much time in the forum and not enough promoting the business. I also think the criteria for becoming a Super Sponsor should be expanded a little.

I have read the thread that talks about the growtator and what a success it has been and how some have even had 11 referrals from it. I don't know how much of percentage those 11 make of that individual's overall number of referrals, but here is danger of post like that. It leads new people to believe that is the only way to grow the business. There have been post about how some feel that article marketing is not effective and post about some that feel that ppc is not effective. You read those and then read about the success of the Growtater and then successfully building the business to a new person without being a Super Sponsor kindof seems not realistic and we both would agree that that is not the case, and like I said, I know that is not the point that you are making, but I do think that enters into peoples minds

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Re: I Got 3 Referrals Today... All on the Rotator!

First of all, I haven't done well with PPC either.  I spent about $50 advertising WA when it had the $1 trial but didn't make any sale.  There were over 123 clicks too from Malaysia and India sad  I still don't have a fully develop blog either.  I'm still in the definition phase and thinking about implementation.

There are lots of benefits in becoming a Super Sponsor besides the monetary benefit.  I would not repeat them here but they're captured in my previous post here in my response to wgsgator.

sthompson3,

Although there are lots of benefits in becoming a Super Sponsor, regular APS members are given a chance to advertise their blogs in this thread.  It's still a work in progress but if you didn't take advantage of it, then it's your own decision.

If you look at the total transparency page, then you'll notice a lot of APS affiliates are having successes with their APS business and they're not even Super Sponsors.  PaulCherry only became a Super Sponsor recently.  He was making about $4K before he even became Super Sponsor.  Another person is Tim Nagle. So, it's NOT TRUE that only Super Sponsors are successful with APS.   Unless you take action and thinking in the mindset of where you want to be, then you won't see results.

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Re: I Got 3 Referrals Today... All on the Rotator!

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I kind of wish that the rotator was either available for everyone or not available at all. I'm not knocking it as a perk and I understand your point. I really do. Please don't misunderstand. I have heard from more than one new referral that they believe the only way to have success with this business is to be a SS, and I know that is not what you were saying, but there is that impression to new affiliates and prospects.

I think new affiliates shouldn't spend a whole lot of time trying to become Super Sponsors in the beginning because it could take away from learning how to be successful in the business and there is the temptation to spend too much time in the forum and not enough promoting the business. I also think the criteria for becoming a Super Sponsor should be expanded a little.

I have read the thread that talks about the growtator and what a success it has been and how some have even had 11 referrals from it. I don't know how much of percentage those 11 make of that individual's overall number of referrals, but here is danger of post like that. It leads new people to believe that is the only way to grow the business. There have been post about how some feel that article marketing is not effective and post about some that feel that ppc is not effective. You read those and then read about the success of the Growtater and then successfully building the business to a new person without being a Super Sponsor kindof seems not realistic and we both would agree that that is not the case, and like I said, I know that is not the point that you are making, but I do think that enters into peoples minds


Well said!  I appreciate the feedback sthompson3!!!  I wasn't even aware of the "growtator" thread.  You reflect a lot of my beliefs.  Being a Super Sponsor is certainly not for everybody, but I also don't want to leave the impression that becomming a Super Sponsor shouldn't be an immediate goal for any new member that fells they could do it. 

I certainly do not think that becomming a Super Sponser is "the" way to grow an Internet marketing business.  I believe in strong fundamentals outside of APS.  I believe that everyone needs a hosted website.  I believe that everyone needs an Auto-Responder. I believe that everyone needs to learn how to use the two to grow their own referrals (LIST) and develop their own business...through relationship marketing.  I believe that eveyone needs to brand themselves above APS.

APS is the best landing pad on the Internet, but it shouldn't be the sole existence of one's Internet marketing business.  APS is a great place for mentors and mentees, and it  provides a fantastic platform to market a lot of great products.  And, its a great place to learn Internet marketing from an honest strone aightforward Super Affiliate (non-guru).  It's unlike anything else out there.

And, I believe that everyone needs to find and use what works for them.  If can be article marketing. It can be Forum marketing.  It can be traffic exhanges. It can safelist advertising, whatever.  And, I think that everyone should know and understand all these various marketing vehicles. With the addition of Affilorama, there is a lot more opportunity for members to increase their knowledge.  I'm never going to be one who stands on some platform telling people what "they should do."  Everyone is different.  Everyone has different needs, and everyone can find things that work for them that don't necessarily work for me.  That's why we have a Forum... to share ideas, not to propogate a position. 

I really appreciate your comments and take them to heart!  It's funny... I covered many of the same points that you just made in a post I made just the other day.  tongue  What's the saying, 'brilliant minds think alike?'  I'm anything, but not brilliant.  Heh... keep posting!  You offer significant value!  It's great to have you in the Forum!

All the Best,

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Re: I Got 3 Referrals Today... All on the Rotator!

I did not say that only super sponsors have success with APS. Mabye I did not communicate my thoughts very well. The main point that I was trying to make was I think when we are new, we put becoming a super sponsor a high priority too soon. That we would  be better served learning about the business and becoming successful at it, before even becoming one.

I have had referral that wanted to focus on achieving that and not promoting their search engine or business. It's just my opinion, but but I think it should be the other way around. I know that people have success without being a super sponsor. I'm steadily building my business without being one and with all due respect, you do not know what I have or have not taken advantage of. I have(and am) taking action and will continue to do so.

I just think that too much emphasis is put on trying to become one when someone is not ready. Just an opinion

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Re: I Got 3 Referrals Today... All on the Rotator!

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sthompson3 wrote:

I kind of wish that the rotator was either available for everyone or not available at all. I'm not knocking it as a perk and I understand your point. I really do. Please don't misunderstand. I have heard from more than one new referral that they believe the only way to have success with this business is to be a SS, and I know that is not what you were saying, but there is that impression to new affiliates and prospects.

I think new affiliates shouldn't spend a whole lot of time trying to become Super Sponsors in the beginning because it could take away from learning how to be successful in the business and there is the temptation to spend too much time in the forum and not enough promoting the business. I also think the criteria for becoming a Super Sponsor should be expanded a little.

I have read the thread that talks about the growtator and what a success it has been and how some have even had 11 referrals from it. I don't know how much of percentage those 11 make of that individual's overall number of referrals, but here is danger of post like that. It leads new people to believe that is the only way to grow the business. There have been post about how some feel that article marketing is not effective and post about some that feel that ppc is not effective. You read those and then read about the success of the Growtater and then successfully building the business to a new person without being a Super Sponsor kindof seems not realistic and we both would agree that that is not the case, and like I said, I know that is not the point that you are making, but I do think that enters into peoples minds


Well said!  I appreciate the feedback sthompson3!!!  I wasn't even aware of the "growtator" thread.  You reflect a lot of my beliefs.  Being a Super Sponsor is certainly not for everybody, but I also don't want to leave the impression that becomming a Super Sponsor shouldn't be an immediate goal for any new member that fells they could do it. 

I certainly do not think that becomming a Super Sponser is "the" way to grow an Internet marketing business.  I believe in strong fundamentals outside of APS.  I believe that everyone needs a hosted website.  I believe that everyone needs an Auto-Responder. I believe that everyone needs to learn how to use the two to grow their own referrals (LIST) and develop their own business...through relationship marketing.  I believe that eveyone needs to brand themselves above APS.

APS is the best landing pad on the Internet, but it shouldn't be the sole existence of one's Internet marketing business.  APS is a great place for mentors and mentees, and it  provides a fantastic platform to market a lot of great products.  And, its a great place to learn Internet marketing from an honest strone aightforward Super Affiliate (non-guru).  It's unlike anything else out there.

And, I believe that everyone needs to find and use what works for them.  If can be article marketing. It can be Forum marketing.  It can be traffic exhanges. It can safelist advertising, whatever.  And, I think that everyone should know and understand all these various marketing vehicles. With the addition of Affilorama, there is a lot more opportunity for members to increase their knowledge.  I'm never going to be one who stands on some platform telling people what "they should do."  Everyone is different.  Everyone has different needs, and everyone can find things that work for them that don't necessarily work for me.  That's why we have a Forum... to share ideas, not to propogate a position. 

I really appreciate your comments and take them to heart!  It's funny... I covered many of the same points that you just made in a post I made just the other day.  tongue  What's the saying, 'brilliant minds think alike?'  I'm anything, but not brilliant.  Heh... keep posting!  You offer significant value!  It's great to have you in the Forum!

All the Best,

Rick
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Thank you Rick. I seem to have ruffled some feathers and I may have done a poor job communicating what I meant and I hope I did not offend

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Re: I Got 3 Referrals Today... All on the Rotator!

sthompson3 wrote:
Rick Samara wrote:
sthompson3 wrote:

I kind of wish that the rotator was either available for everyone or not available at all. I'm not knocking it as a perk and I understand your point. I really do. Please don't misunderstand. I have heard from more than one new referral that they believe the only way to have success with this business is to be a SS, and I know that is not what you were saying, but there is that impression to new affiliates and prospects.

I think new affiliates shouldn't spend a whole lot of time trying to become Super Sponsors in the beginning because it could take away from learning how to be successful in the business and there is the temptation to spend too much time in the forum and not enough promoting the business. I also think the criteria for becoming a Super Sponsor should be expanded a little.

I have read the thread that talks about the growtator and what a success it has been and how some have even had 11 referrals from it. I don't know how much of percentage those 11 make of that individual's overall number of referrals, but here is danger of post like that. It leads new people to believe that is the only way to grow the business. There have been post about how some feel that article marketing is not effective and post about some that feel that ppc is not effective. You read those and then read about the success of the Growtater and then successfully building the business to a new person without being a Super Sponsor kindof seems not realistic and we both would agree that that is not the case, and like I said, I know that is not the point that you are making, but I do think that enters into peoples minds


Well said!  I appreciate the feedback sthompson3!!!  I wasn't even aware of the "growtator" thread.  You reflect a lot of my beliefs.  Being a Super Sponsor is certainly not for everybody, but I also don't want to leave the impression that becomming a Super Sponsor shouldn't be an immediate goal for any new member that fells they could do it. 

I certainly do not think that becomming a Super Sponser is "the" way to grow an Internet marketing business.  I believe in strong fundamentals outside of APS.  I believe that everyone needs a hosted website.  I believe that everyone needs an Auto-Responder. I believe that everyone needs to learn how to use the two to grow their own referrals (LIST) and develop their own business...through relationship marketing.  I believe that eveyone needs to brand themselves above APS.

APS is the best landing pad on the Internet, but it shouldn't be the sole existence of one's Internet marketing business.  APS is a great place for mentors and mentees, and it  provides a fantastic platform to market a lot of great products.  And, its a great place to learn Internet marketing from an honest strone aightforward Super Affiliate (non-guru).  It's unlike anything else out there.

And, I believe that everyone needs to find and use what works for them.  If can be article marketing. It can be Forum marketing.  It can be traffic exhanges. It can safelist advertising, whatever.  And, I think that everyone should know and understand all these various marketing vehicles. With the addition of Affilorama, there is a lot more opportunity for members to increase their knowledge.  I'm never going to be one who stands on some platform telling people what "they should do."  Everyone is different.  Everyone has different needs, and everyone can find things that work for them that don't necessarily work for me.  That's why we have a Forum... to share ideas, not to propogate a position. 

I really appreciate your comments and take them to heart!  It's funny... I covered many of the same points that you just made in a post I made just the other day.  tongue  What's the saying, 'brilliant minds think alike?'  I'm anything, but not brilliant.  Heh... keep posting!  You offer significant value!  It's great to have you in the Forum!

All the Best,


Rick

Thank you Rick. I seem to have ruffled some feathers and I may have done a poor job communicating what I meant and I hope I did not offend

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Re: I Got 3 Referrals Today... All on the Rotator!

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I had a bad PPC day on my referral site

Hi Rick,

On balance I agree with what you say, although I believe the real key to success with ppc is your budget-. It’s clear you won’t make progress if you don’t choose the right keywords and set up the campaign right, but I think the real issue is being consistent with your budget.

However that’s a challenge if you only have limited resources as I do. For example my last ppc campaign was a success, I gained 5 people who all completed step 3 and a couple who did step 2 (GDI), had I been able to continue with that campaign at the same level, I guess it would have attracted more step 3’s and I would have reached 15% and  the rewards that entails.This would have led  me being able to reinvest that  reserve money and in theory at least continue the success story.

However having exhausted my budget I had to stop and a few weeks later  2 step 3’s gave up. Result step 3% in the doldrums again.  I think we can also become fixated on achieving low keyword prices. In my experience at least, I’ve manged to create some low costing keywords which got the clicks but not the conversions. Common or competitive affiliate marketing Keywords(targeted at experienced marketers) tend to convert, but they ain't cheap!  It always returns to the old adage of quality (leads) not quantity . I’ll have to find a solution to this dilemma because I’m not in this to see my reserve growing  and not being able to tap into it.
I don't think we should discourage new people from ppc, as long we're clear that ,If they don't learn about it before hand, they're going to get burnt.
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The keys to a good PPC campaign are many, but they include a good landing page that converts and finding niche keywords with high volumes and lost cost. That's where keyword research is really important. Long-tail keywords work best, but it does take some work to find those nuggets that can make your campaign profitable. One other key is learning how to properly structure your ad groups within a campaign. There are lot of theories on this but what i have found to be true is that having 1 keyword per ad group is the best way to set it up. That way you can highly target your ad to match your keyword and tie to your landing page (this is for search only. Content is much different and can have many keywords per ad group). Placing the keyword in the Title of the ad as well as the ad copy is easy to do with a 1 to 1 relationship between keyword and ad group.

The other thing to keep in mind is that there are other search engines out there besides Google and many are much less expensive. True, you will not currently get the market share as with Google, but you can still get decent traffic with these other search engines.

Anyway, those are hopefully some helpful tips in that regard.

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There are lot of theories on this but what i have found to be true is that having 1 keyword per ad group is the best way to set it up.

Hi Gary,

Only 1? Never herd that one before. You mean, one keyword e.g "affiliate marketer" also in your  ad title?

one more thing not connected. Should I re-sign up to my life through their page or through CJ ? Does it matter?
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Daveg39 wrote:
Gary Chappelle wrote:

There are lot of theories on this but what i have found to be true is that having 1 keyword per ad group is the best way to set it up.

Hi Gary,

Only 1? Never herd that one before. You mean, one keyword e.g "affiliate marketer" also in your  ad title?

one more thing not connected. Should I re-sign up to my life through their page or through CJ ? Does it matter?
Thanks Dave

Yes, only 1 keyword per ad group. Try to put the keyword in your ad title. For instance "Make Money At Home". Then in your ad copy you could say something like "Do You Want to Make Money At Home? Learn How Now" or something to that effect.

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Gary Chappelle wrote:
Daveg39 wrote:
Gary Chappelle wrote:

There are lot of theories on this but what i have found to be true is that having 1 keyword per ad group is the best way to set it up.

Hi Gary,

Only 1? Never herd that one before. You mean, one keyword e.g "affiliate marketer" also in your  ad title?

one more thing not connected. Should I re-sign up to my life through their page or through CJ ? Does it matter?
Thanks Dave

Yes, only 1 keyword per ad group. Try to put the keyword in your ad title. For instance "Make Money At Home". Then in your ad copy you could cay something like "Do You Want to Make Money At Home? Learn How Now" or something to that effect.

For MyLife, sign up through CJ. Tissa is working right now on a way to add the CJ affiliate info into our back office.

By the way, like I stated above, there are lots of theories about this. But this is the technique that PPC Classroom teaches.

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Yes, only 1 keyword per ad group.

revolutionary stuff! Never even considered doing that! I was going the other way, slowly adding more and more. Let's give it a go and see where it takes me. Thanks

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Daveg39 wrote:
Gary Chappelle wrote:

Yes, only 1 keyword per ad group.

revolutionary stuff! Never even considered doing that! I was going the other way, slowly adding more and more. Let's give it a go and see where it takes me. Thanks

Keep in mind that "make money at home" is just an example and is a relatively expensive keyword to promote. So your job is to do keyword research and find keyword phrases with high volume and low costs. Just a hint. big_smile

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Re: I Got 3 Referrals Today... All on the Rotator!

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Daveg39 wrote:
Gary Chappelle wrote:

Yes, only 1 keyword per ad group.

revolutionary stuff! Never even considered doing that! I was going the other way, slowly adding more and more. Let's give it a go and see where it takes me. Thanks

Keep in mind that "make money at home" is just an example and is a relatively expensive keyword to promote. So your job is to do keyword research and find keyword phrases with high volume and low costs. Just a hint. big_smile

One other thing to consider that was not mentioned is to study the difference between broad, phrase, and exact match keywords. These can have a tremendous impact on your campaigns. Also look into negative keywords and how they can be used to minimize your click costs.

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Keep in mind that "make money at home" is just an example and is a relatively expensive keyword to promote. So your job is to do keyword research and find keyword phrases with high volume and low costs. Just a hint

I'm holding you personally responsible Gary for the success or failure of my 1 keyword ppc campaign!Ha!

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Hi everyone,

I fully agree with Gary.  PPC is a combination of almost all internet marketing techniques.  We we have to build up a high rating for our sites where we could start with Article writing, blogging then creating backlinks, then submitting press releases, then posting on forums and social networks......... then finally PPC.  Directly going to PPC without prior improving our site ratings can be a real waste of money.

With the issue on the Grow-tator, it really is a good benefit for SS.  I do believe it is an added benefit since we also give time to make this forum a quality read.  It is the time that we should be spending for our own internet marketing.  It is also true that being an SS yields financial benefits (refund and advertising), but then again, with the bar raised, everything should really boil down to quality.  I myself give extra effort in this forum.  I need the SS status while I build up my site ratings in preparation for a good PPC campaign.  And I know it all takes time.

To summarize, not all SS are successfull, and not all successful APS members are SS.  We should all consider APS as our main business attention, not being an SS.  For all SS, we should strike a balance between our APS business and this forum.  Yes there are benefits being an SS but depending on the SS benefits alone cannot make you a successful internet marketer.  The APS business will be our bottomline success.  Focus on our APS business, focus on the true success.

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Re: I Got 3 Referrals Today... All on the Rotator!

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  • Registered: 2009-12-23
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Re: I Got 3 Referrals Today... All on the Rotator!

jagestipona wrote:

Hi everyone,

I fully agree with Gary.  PPC is a combination of almost all internet marketing techniques.  We we have to build up a high rating for our sites where we could start with Article writing, blogging then creating backlinks, then submitting press releases, then posting on forums and social networks......... then finally PPC.  Directly going to PPC without prior improving our site ratings can be a real waste of money.

With the issue on the Grow-tator, it really is a good benefit for SS.  I do believe it is an added benefit since we also give time to make this forum a quality read.  It is the time that we should be spending for our own internet marketing.  It is also true that being an SS yields financial benefits (refund and advertising), but then again, with the bar raised, everything should really boil down to quality.  I myself give extra effort in this forum.  I need the SS status while I build up my site ratings in preparation for a good PPC campaign.  And I know it all takes time.

To summarize, not all SS are successfull, and not all successful APS members are SS.  We should all consider APS as our main business attention, not being an SS.  For all SS, we should strike a balance between our APS business and this forum.  Yes there are benefits being an SS but depending on the SS benefits alone cannot make you a successful internet marketer.  The APS business will be our bottomline success.  Focus on our APS business, focus on the true success.

This is the point that I was trying to make. I believe one SS thought I was saying that only SS are successful and no one else will be. That is not what I said or intended. I agree with you 100% and I wish I had realized that sooner. It seems to me that that is a common mistake we make we just sign up. Getting the priorities a little mixed up.

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Re: I Got 3 Referrals Today... All on the Rotator!

sthompson3 wrote:

I did not say that only super sponsors have success with APS. Mabye I did not communicate my thoughts very well. The main point that I was trying to make was I think when we are new, we put becoming a super sponsor a high priority too soon. That we would  be better served learning about the business and becoming successful at it, before even becoming one.

I have had referral that wanted to focus on achieving that and not promoting their search engine or business. It's just my opinion, but but I think it should be the other way around. I know that people have success without being a super sponsor. I'm steadily building my business without being one and with all due respect, you do not know what I have or have not taken advantage of. I have(and am) taking action and will continue to do so.

I just think that too much emphasis is put on trying to become one when someone is not ready. Just an opinion


Hi Sthompson3

I am feeling the same way as you.  I can only speak of me.  Because I was really broke when I started this program, I focused way too much on being a super sponsor and staying one.  It was fun and it was very rewarding, however, I couldn't keep up. 

The more I was learning the more I was trying different things, plus working full time, plus I do have a life outside affiliate marketing, I was struggling more and more to give useful information to help others and eventually didn't have time to even give moral support.

I am no longer a super sponsor but like you am going to focus on my APS business, really work hard on learning how to earn and when I do, I'll pass this valuable information on here at the forum. 

If my heart is sincere and I'm truly trying to pay it forward, Tissa and/or Gary will notice and bonus, I will be a super sponsor again.

I loved your post.  Do not hold back your posts because no matter what, we all have opinions, different life experiences and everyone and anyone can/will benefit.

Keep up the good work, and keep doing what you are doing, and you will become a super sponsor just for being you!

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Re: I Got 3 Referrals Today... All on the Rotator!

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Re: I Got 3 Referrals Today... All on the Rotator!

jagestipona wrote:

I fully agree with Gary.  PPC is a combination of almost all internet marketing techniques.  We we have to build up a high rating for our sites where we could start with Article writing, blogging then creating backlinks, then submitting press releases, then posting on forums and social networks.........  then finally PPC.  Directly going to PPC without prior improving our site ratings can be a real waste of money.

Without doubt there is a lot of value in what you say and only a week ago I'd say this was the gospel. However the longer I do this, the more I realize that these "truths" or common wisdoms are often opinions or theoretical. For example I started a niche website last week, aimed at particular niche audience and tested  it with ppc. I've done no promotional or ratings work and haven't added any links or even linked my articles because I'm still experimenting. Despite these failings the keywords I used were the cheapest I've managed and the clicks came thick and fast.This was a bit of a shock.
The conclusion I've come to is if you have a really original idea or niche, the above techniques which  improve your site stats, become less important because you have less competition out there.
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Re: I Got 3 Referrals Today... All on the Rotator!

As I see it, becoming a super sponser is not an obligation to any of us here...I'd say more of a testament of what we eventually become through hard work..focus..and then ultimately using our hard earned success and paying it forward....

I would have quite if it wasn't for all the past and present super sponsors....I think the system is way above being fair..and best serves the new members and gives them another goal that is very attainable...I don't expect to become a super sponsor anytime soon...but eventually it will happen by way of simply succeeding in this business and sharing my success and ideas with all...

Someone, mentioned Paul Cherry (who is very successful)..just became a SS and that is what I'm getting at...Paul never let not being a SS get in his way of becoming an ACME success story..he just kept at it getting better all the time and always helps others with tools, advice, posts...

in other words...you keep working hard and help others whenever you can ..you'll be a SS sooner or later..and that in itself...totally ROCKS!!!!
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Re: I Got 3 Referrals Today... All on the Rotator!

Daveg39 wrote:
Gary Chappelle wrote:

Keep in mind that "make money at home" is just an example and is a relatively expensive keyword to promote. So your job is to do keyword research and find keyword phrases with high volume and low costs. Just a hint

I'm holding you personally responsible Gary for the success or failure of my 1 keyword ppc campaign!Ha!

Hey Dave,

Thanks for the input!  It wasn't my intention to steer people away from PPC!  I did mention how I'm doing fairly well with my "people search" campaign on Bing.  The intent of this thread was to point to the added "value" of being a Super Sponsor. 

Somehow, PPC seemed to prevail.

My opinion is that Gary is right on the mark.  A single keyword phrase matched to a campaign is the approach. I never use more than five keywords, or keyword strings or long tail keywords.  Then you split test on ads to see how they work.

So, I'll jump right in and take some of that blame, if and if it doesn't work for you! smile

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Re: I Got 3 Referrals Today... All on the Rotator!

Rick Samara wrote:

So, I'll jump right in and take some of that blame, if and if it doesn't work for you!

Let's be positive Rick! It's going to work!

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Re: I Got 3 Referrals Today... All on the Rotator!

I am glad to hear some of you are having success with your APS business. I for one, am not ! I have signed on to 3 Free trial products now because thats the only way I could afford to stay on with APS to have enough time to study how to make the program work. Well...what I am learning all makes sense but also costs more  & more money to learn. The more I learn the more addicted I become to this whole concept and the more excited I get. I progress in getting myself set up with hostgator and so forth, GDI, and I love CJ;  but...No matter what- It all comes down to this...You must sign up with wealthy afilliates to learn to earn! I see no other way! And...that cost 39.00 (at least) a month. I cannot afford it! I pay, already $ 10.00  a month for hostgator, 11.00 for GDI. Pluse whatever product I try for cost of shipping & handeling. That all adds up in a month and I submit like crazy to the submit for free sites! Nothing happens! I don't feel that I can become a Super Sponser yet because I don't know enough to help others and I have been so busy just trying to learn enough to make this work first so I feel that I could actually know enough to be of help to others. I am not one to quite easily, although, I did kinda get the feeling that I am being pulled into something that might be a tad bit misleading. I am giving this a very fair shot and it just seems that it's not going to work without the constant investment of money that I don't have! From the amount I have invested already. I hoped that I would be making enough to at least stay involved in the program and be able to join wealthy afilliates. I think I was wrong. Any suggestions? I am open to new ideas for I would like to stay involved and make it work.

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Hi mom3

How are you? I understand that you really wanted to join Wealthy Affiliates to learn in order to be able to earn from your APS business. Well, for the time being that you don't have $39 to join WA, there is a free alternative to that - its Affilorama - that's in your APS back office Marketing tool along with Jeremy Shoemoney System and Wealthy Affiliates. You might want to read on this thread to learn about these 3 great marketing tools, that are now also part of the income streams that are unlock when you have your step 3 completed. And in case you are not yet aware of the recent changes in your back office, you can read it here .

Im pretty sure that after you have read on those posts, you would agree like everybody here does, that success in our APS business is simply becoming more and more attainable as the purpose of those changes that Tissa is doing is to do away with all the confusions and make earnings more easy from our APS business.

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Re: I Got 3 Referrals Today... All on the Rotator!

mom3 wrote:

It all comes down to this...You must sign up with wealthy afilliates to learn to earn!

Hi mom3,

As Rod said, APS now endorses Mark Ling's Affiliorama.  Mark offers 85 video tutorials and it's all completely free and the quality of training is superb. 

-Chris

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Re: I Got 3 Referrals Today... All on the Rotator!

How to become supersponspor in APS ? How to become successful to become Super sponspor ?

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